i'm one of those people who changed their mind. >> no doubt it changed as fast as anything in my career as i've seen, but tens of millions of americans who oppose gay marriage and so -- >> she's getting it out of the way now. >> you have to navigate it carefully if you're a republican. >> listen, we see the polls and see they're 58% and a lot of supporters of gay marriage will say that's great. all you had to do is look and see how long it took barack obama to support gay marriage and see that the only way he got there was by joe biden dragging him over that finish line. that's the only reason why barack obama came out in support of gay marriage before the election. >> okay. >> and -- no, i'm just saying, the fact that you have a progressive president that took his time, took as long as he took four years in before he made a decision. shows, this is not an open and shut issue politically nationally. >> look at senator portman. >> yeah. look at rob portman. how is that playing in ohio? >> first of all -- >> playing fine for him in ohio and because he is so well liked within the party, hi